All Listings, $700,000 - $800,000 Real Estate For Sale in 33905 Zip Code

Multigenerational dream home with a pool in the forum! Meticulously maintained 2014-built home on a large corner lot in promenade west. This rare property features a spacious 4-bedroom main house with a large loft, plus a fully independent attached apartment! Main house: bright, open-concept layout with 4 generous bedrooms, a versatile upstairs loft, and a fully equipped kitchen. All appliances (including washer/dryer) are included. Attached apartment: designed for true independent living! It features a private exterior entrance (plus interior access), a full-size refrigerator, built-in microwave, dishwasher, and a washer/dryer combo. Perfect for extended family or guests! Outdoors & extras: enjoy the florida lifestyle in your private screened lanai with a sparkling pool and shaded seating. Upgrades include a hard-wired asi smart security system, home team in-wall pest control, and a 3-car tandem garage. Located just minutes from i-75, top shopping, and medical facilities. Don't miss this unique opportunity!

Estate-style riverfront home on 3.28 acres in buckingham with over 500 feet of frontage on the orange river and a 3 year old 1, 500± sq ft dock. The elevated a-frame residence offers 3, 668 sq ft of living area, built on a poured concrete foundation with concrete pilings and steel framing for exceptional durability. Foam insulation under the stucco and three zoned central a/c systems (including one dedicated to the primary suite) help keep the home comfortable and energy-efficient. Whole home reverse osmosis with 500 gallon tank just installed comes with a 5 year warranty. The main level features an 8x8 mudroom, a full guest bath with large walk-in shower, and an infrared 3-person emf sauna. The great room showcases a soaring 26-foot ceiling, matching 26-foot river-stone fireplace, and a dramatic brazilian marble slab accenting one of the structural a-frame beams. The kitchen offers approximately 24 feet of counter space, two lazy susans, a clay farm sink, cooktop, double convection oven with steam and wi-fi probe functions, and a 4x8 walk-in pantry. Recently installed impact-resistant sliding doors provide natural light and added storm protection, a valuable feature in florida’s hurricane-prone climate.A separate downstairs living area functions as a game room with wet bar and french doors to the wraparound deck. Upstairs are two generous guest bedrooms with jack-and-jill bath, attic access for extra storage, and a loft with built-in desk and private deck overlooking the property. The primary suite offers tongue-and-groove ceilings, a 22-foot closet, and a spa-like bath with oversized walk-in shower, seamless glass, dual sinks, and quartz counters.Multiple outbuildings create unmatched flexibility: two main garages (one with workshop, loft, and steel framing), a middle building with roughly 1, 000 sq ft of insulated space with drop-in a/c and half bath ideal for a home business or flex use, plus a rear building with built-in shelving, lean-to storage, and back deck. This one-of-a-kind property combines acreage, waterfront, and extensive storage/workspace—perfect for those seeking an estate home, hobby compound, or live/work setup.

Welcome to exceptional florida living in this freshly painted, move-in ready 5-bedroom + home office, 4-full bath lakefront residence in beautiful fort myers. Offering breathtaking water views, a private pool oasis, and a flexible multi-generational layout, this home combines luxury, function, and value — all within a community featuring very low hoa fees. Designed for both everyday comfort and elegant entertaining, the light-filled main living areas showcase serene lake views and seamless flow. The first floor features all hardwood and tile flooring — no carpet — delivering both sophistication and easy maintenance. A dedicated home office provides the perfect remote work or study space. At the heart of the home is a large chef’s kitchen designed to impress, featuring a double wall oven, separate cooktop, abundant cabinetry, and a spacious walk-in pantry. Whether hosting holiday gatherings or preparing everyday meals, this kitchen offers both functionality and style. The primary suite is a true retreat, complete with a private sitting area overlooking the water — ideal for morning coffee or a quiet reading space. The spa-inspired en-suite bath and expansive walk-in closets with built-in organization systems provide both luxury and exceptional storage. Additional bedrooms also feature walk-in closets with custom built-ins, ensuring everything has its place. Upstairs, a large versatile bonus room includes a private bedroom and full bath, making it ideal as a media room, playroom, guest retreat, or multi-generational living space. This flexible layout easily accommodates an in-law suite or private quarters for extended family and long-term guests. Step outside to your backyard paradise featuring a beautiful pool with a sun shelf, perfect for relaxing in the florida sunshine or hosting gatherings. Electric hurricane shutters provide effortless storm protection and added peace of mind. A spacious 3-car garage offers ample room for vehicles, storage, and recreational equipment. With stunning lake views, abundant storage, flexible living options, low hoa fees, and true move-in ready condition, this exceptional home delivers the very best of southwest florida living.

Welcome to 14555 monrovia ln in portico -amazing huge very rare corner unit with 0.3acre lot. Home features 5 bedrooms plus den, 3 full baths, a 3-car garage and a waterfront lanai with pool! This upgraded and highly popular monte carlo boasts over 3300 square feet of open living space. With its mainly western exposure, you will enjoy picturesque sunsets from the expansive screened lanai, featuring a sparkling, heated pool. 3-car garage includes overhead storage racks for storing seasonal items and more. Additional exterior features include expanded driveway, a screened front entry porch, amenity-rich community featuring a clubhouse, resort-style pool, fitness center, basketball, tennis, pickleball, and more!

Welcome to 326 shore drive, a custom-designed, under-construction waterfront property nestled just south of the caloosahatchee river and 'beautiful island'. This distinguished two-story residence offers the highly desirable southern exposure and stunning river views from its expansive balcony, creating an excellent setting for elegant florida living and effortless waterfront enjoyment. Situated on a 0.26-acre lot with direct gulf access and no bridges to navigate, the property provides convenient boating opportunities. From the dock, it is a mere five-minute idle by boat to open water, allowing seamless access to the gulf and beyond. Designed by michael stewart, p.E., this under-construction home will encompass approximately 2, 847 square feet of air-conditioned living space with 10-foot and 12-foot ceilings throughout. 326 shore drive features three generously appointed bedrooms—including a luxurious owner’s suite with a free-standing tub, walk-in shower, and expansive walk-in closets—plus two additional guest suites, each with private baths. The open-concept design seamlessly integrates a gourmet kitchen with a spacious great room, ideal for entertaining and relaxed florida living. An elaborate grand staircase provides a striking architectural centerpiece, complemented by a private elevator that is conveniently accessed from within the garage. The structural foundation, elevator shaft, and all major utilities fully completed and paid for, ensuring a streamlined path for the remaining finishes. The first-floor includes 2, 650 square feet of fully enclosed garage space, offering abundant room for multiple vehicles, watercraft, recreational equipment, or even specialized uses. Waterfront amenities are already in place for immediate use. A 16, 000-pound boat lift, dock, and canopy were installed in 2024. Located near i-75 and palm beach boulevard, 326 shore drive offers excellent connectivity to the region’s premier destinations. The listed price includes all hurricane-rated impact windows and doors, along with deposits to floor plank, truss and plumbing vendors. This turnkey approach allows the buyer to customize remaining details while benefiting from substantial value already invested in the project. Palm beach blvd serves as a direct gateway to downtown fort myers. The city of fort myers' 2024 community redevelopment plan has adopted a new era of elegance and appreciation through strategic infrastructure enhancements, expanded public green spaces, refined riverfront connections, and the thoughtful revitalization of the palm beach boulevard corridor. These public investments are crafted to deliver meaningful long-term value appreciation across the district, including 326 shore drive. 326 shore drive combines premium waterfront living, expertly crafted engineering and a construction ready opportunity. Don't wait years for a permit, 326 shore drive is ready today!

Welcome to your elegant, high and dry, gulf access fortress. This home has never had water intrusion. This home is gorgeous just as it is and also holds endless potential to become even more of an impressive tropical retreat. The chef's kitchen will make you fall in love right away with gorgeous cabinets and lighting. Start the day with the southwest florida sunrise peaking up over the palms, dolphins and manatees cruising the canal, and then go out for full days of fishing the gulf of america or the back bays for grouper, snook, redfish, speckled sea trout, mangrove snappers and more. This home puts views of the outdoors as a feature from each room, except for one more private bedroom upstairs. Entertaining in this home is a breeze with entry to the huge screened in lanai and kitchen from the living room and the breakfast nook from the kitchen. Grill or cater for small events or go big!

Seller is willing to consider owner financing! This is a boater's dream location! Welcome home to this fantastic deep water access play ground! Everything you want to enjoy the inside/outside of this designer home. Don't miss out! This stunning riverfront luxury home has breathtaking views in beautiful fort myers shores! It has been immaculately renovated and breath takingly unique deep-water access home is the epitome of the southwest florida lifestyle. A fresh expansive open concept living area has bright high ceilings and exceptional intersecting waterfront views from nearly every direction! A large modern island kitchen are center to the home with top of the line appliances. There are three generous guest rooms and a large private owners suite await you. An in home office for all of your work needs has a closet and can be a 4th bedroom. The open lanai offers plenty of room for entertaining with a built in kitchen and comfortable seating area. Lounge in the beautiful pool with a connected heated spa for sunsets across the open water. There is a 12, 000 lb. Boat lift that provides boaters easy access to the caloosahatchee river and the gulf. Top of the line impact resistant doors, windows, and sliders. Standing seam metal roof. Vacant lot next door is available for purchase. Schedule a private showing today.

An exceptional offering within verandah, this impeccably maintained pool residence is set on a rare 85-foot-wide an exceptional offering within verandah, this impeccably maintained pool residence is set on a rare 85-foot-wide homesite, surrounded by custom estates in one of the community’s most desirable enclaves. Thoughtfully cared for and move-in ready, the home reflects pride of ownership throughout, with meaningful updates that enhance both comfort and livability.Recent improvements include updates to the kitchen, bathrooms, and primary bedroom, along with new carpeting, a new refrigerator, and a new dishwasher. Additional features such as stainless steel appliances, an updated air-conditioning system, and a well-maintained exterior contribute to the home’s overall appeal.Designed for seamless indoor-outdoor living, the exterior showcases mature landscaping, a spacious screened lanai, gas-heated pool and spa, a private preserve backdrop, and a dedicated pool bath—an ideal setting for refined entertaining or quiet relaxation in the florida sunshine.Inside, the open kitchen is both functional and elegant, appointed with granite countertops, stainless steel appliances, and natural gas cooking. Architectural details include crown molding, tray ceilings, updated ceiling fans, and tile flooring throughout the main living areas. The bedrooms offer comfort and privacy, while the primary suite serves as a tranquil retreat featuring dual vanities, a soaking tub, and a separate walk-in shower. Residents of verandah enjoy an unparalleled lifestyle with championship golf, tennis, kayaking, biking, and over nine miles of scenic walking and nature trails within this prestigious gated community. Prime homesite. Pool & spa. Preserve views. Exceptional condition!

Are you looking for aviation based lifestyle? This move-in ready pool home with hangar in buckingham airpark offers a short taxi to lee county mosquito control districts (fl59) 4, 500’ x 400’ lighted concrete runway. The property is positioned to provide views of runway activity, adding to the overall airpark experience. This spacious and well-maintained 3-bedroom, 2-bath pool home includes an additional 432 sq. Ft. Bonus room. The open concept floor plan features a generous family room and kitchen, both overlooking the screened lanai and pool area. The kitchen offers ample cabinetry, counter space, and stainless steel appliances. The dining area flows seamlessly between the kitchen and family room, with direct access to the outdoor living space. The primary bedroom is well-sized and includes access to the pool area. The remodeled ensuite bath is thoughtfully updated with a clean, modern feel. The split-bedroom layout places the guest rooms on the opposite side of the home, providing privacy, and the guest bath has also been tastefully renovated. A notable feature is the 432 sq. Ft. Bonus room with its own private entrance and additional storage, offering flexibility for a variety of uses such as hobbies, a home gym, or additional gathering space. The hangar measures 38’ wide by 30’ deep, with a 37’ wide door. The center door height is 10’8”, and the side door heights are 6’9”. Plans are available to expand the hangar forward by an additional 12’. Recent updates include a 2018 metal roof, hurricane-impact windows, a motorized hurricane screen system on the lanai, a 2025 hvac system, and a new water heater. The home is not located in a flood zone. Annual hoa fees are only $350! Beyond the home itself, this property offers a unique lifestyle opportunity. Buckingham army airfield—now known as buckingham airpark—was originally developed as a world war ii army airfield and was once among the largest training airfields in florida, adding a distinctive historical element to the community. Virtual link above will provide 3d walk through, floor plan and room dimensions.

Welcome to your slice of florida living where everything feels just right the moment you walk in. This 2022-built bright meadow 2 by neal communities is being offered by its original owners, and it shows—in all the best ways. Once inside, you’re greeted with that light, bright, airy feel buyers are always chasing but rarely find. Neutral tones, crisp white shaker cabinetry, and driftwood plank tile floors create a clean, coastal vibe that’s equal parts elegant and comfortable. The layout is as functional as it is attractive: 3 bedrooms + a spacious den with french doors (perfect for an office or overflow guests), 2.5 baths, 2300 sq ft of easy, open living and a 3-car garage (because storage matters more than you think!). The kitchen is the heart of this home and delivers—with upgraded stainless appliances, quartz counters, and a beautifully trimmed-out island that adds just the right amount of character. Plantation shutters elevate the look, with additional matching shutters already on the way for the den and breakfast nook. And let’s talk about where this home really shines…outside! With an expansive 27’ x 12’ covered lanai, you’ll see why this home was designed for entertaining. You’ve got a built-in gas outdoor kitchen, a gas fire pit, and a massive 45’ x 22’ pool cage enclosing a sleek rectangular pool (approximately 22’ x 12’) with a gas heater—so you can actually use it year-round. Western exposure means sunshine all afternoon and those glowing florida sunsets in the evening. And thanks to the tall hedgerow surrounding the cage, you get something that’s hard to come by: privacy. Additional upgrades totaling over $50, 000—including furnishings that convey with the home—make this an easy move opportunity. Simple. Stylish. Low-maintenance. And quietly upgraded in all the right places. If you’ve been waiting for a home in verandah that doesn’t feel like every other listing…this is the one worth seeing in person. Verandah members not only call this community ‘home, ’ they also enjoy two championship golf courses, pickle ball, tennis, bocce, an attended fitness center overlooking a resort-style pool and free kayaking at our own orange river launch. Our own blossoms offers lively, but casual, outdoor riverfront dining while the river house dining is smart casual with a perfect after-sports bar. Bingo night, club dinners and live entertainment are frequent. Because verandah is situated around two 18-hole championship golf courses, it has the green space for 9.3 miles of walking, biking and jogging paths, 2 bark parks and a large wooded playground area. The ‘natural’ ambience here is quite different from most communities. Join our casual, friendly verandah community. There truly is something for everyone here! Please click on the virtual tour link to ‘walk’ through this unique home and see the floor plan.

Welcome to a waterfront paradise that redefines coastal living! This exquisite 3-bed, 3-bath home combines luxury with convenience, featuring a large master bedroom suite and a private boat lift for direct gulf access. Approximately 2000 square feet of outdoor screened pool area and lanai complement the open living space with vaulted ceilings in rooms. The house is in excellent condition, with hurricane impact windows and doors replaced just 3 years ago, ensuring safety and durability. Step into the serene outdoor sanctuary where a screened pool offers relaxation and entertainment. Enjoy seamless maritime adventures with direct gulf access and no bridges to navigate. This property celebrates waterfront living, meticulously designed for comfort and enjoyment, whether you're admiring scenic water views, cruising the gulf, or hosting gatherings by the pool. Seize the opportunity to make this coastal haven your own and experience the unparalleled joys of waterfront living.

Welcome to your dream home on river forest island! This stunning single-family home boasts 3 bedrooms, 3 bathrooms, and a 2-car garage, making it the perfect oasis for you and your family. The in-ground pool and boat dock with lift provide endless opportunities for outdoor fun and relaxation on the riverfront. The office space is ideal for those who work from home or need a quiet place to focus. The white hard surface counters, stainless steel appliances, and tile flooring give the kitchen a modern and luxurious feel. With solar panels, a tile roof, and updated features throughout, this home is not only beautiful but also energy-efficient. The heated pool and pool bath make entertaining a breeze, whether you're hosting a summer barbecue or family gathering. The large square footage ensures plenty of space for everyone to spread out and enjoy all that this home has to offer. You can join the clubhouse and be part of the monthly activities don't miss out on the opportunity to make this riverfront retreat your own! Check out the virtual tour~

Huge price reduction! A rare waterfront pool home designed for the ultimate florida lifestyle! This newer-built 2005 direct access 3-bedroom, 3-bath 2 story pool home sits on nearly ½ acre, 150' seawall, captains walk dock, and 10, 000# boat lift—perfect for boating enthusiasts and sunset cruisers alike. The expansive property also features a 30’ x 45’ detached building, with full electric, ideal for housing an rv, boat or luxury vehicles, or creating the ultimate workshop or hobby space. Inside, enjoy a modern open layout filled with natural light, refined finishes, and seamless indoor-outdoor living. Upstairs features the kitchen, formal dining room and great room opening to the beautiful kitchen with breakfast bar. The master suite is upstairs along with another bedroom and full bath and laundry room. Enjoy the gorgeous view from your upstairs deck overlooking the pool and the waterfront! Downstairs is the where the party starts! Bar and gameroom and even a pool table and an electronic game! There is a full bedroom and bath downstairs as well, which can be an office, media, or hobby room! This room has a door to the garage! Step outside to your own private resort with a sparkling heated pool, generous entertaining space, and tranquil waterfront views. No hoa, no rental restrictions, no city taxes or assessments. Added features, ac 2019 (1 of 2) ac, hwh 2020, 2023 rescreened & bolted, 2019 30 x 45 detached bldg, 2019 seawall on the adjoinging property. Minutes to the caloosahatchee river, with no bridges. Enjoy watching the boats come down the canal from the davis boat ramp! This is refined coastal living with space, privacy, and freedom—an exceptional opportunity to own a true florida waterfront retreat!

Breathtaking riverfront masterpiece with ultimate outdoor oasis imagine living in a stunning riverfront estate that’s been lovingly updated and upgraded! This home is designed for both entertaining and comfort, featuring a grand, open-concept split plan with soaring cathedral ceilings and breathtaking water views. Inside, you’ll find a modern, top-tier kitchen and fully renovated bathrooms, all while enjoying safety and security with impact windows, doors, and hurricane shutters. The outdoor space is truly unmatched, with a large, screened-in lanai with beautiful pavers, perfect for enjoying the breeze. You’ll also have an outdoor jacuzzi—complete with tv+hookup—and a central paver fire pit area in the lush yard. Boaters will be thrilled with the private dock that includes two boat lifts (one covered), and the property’s security is enhanced by a solar-powered keyless entry gate on the side of the home, which has more pavers for parking anything large. Plus, there’s a dedicated children’s playground in the backyard, completely fenced in with beautiful black iron fencing, which completes this perfect family retreat. “this home seamlessly blends comfort with luxury, creating a true retreat.” if you’re interested in the boat with the purchase of the home, this can be negotiated.

Welcome to the verandah, where refined elegance meets breathtaking natural beauty. This exceptional 3-bedroom plus den residence showcases sweeping lake views and numerous carefully curated upgrades, creating a sophisticated yet comfortable southwest florida retreat. An expansive driveway welcomes you to an oversized three-car garage and a thoughtfully designed open floor plan ideal for both everyday living and grand entertaining. The gourmet kitchen serves as the heart of the home, featuring stainless steel appliances, abundant custom cabinetry, and an impressive center island that seamlessly flows into the spacious family room highlighted by tray ceilings and a relaxed dining area. The primary suite provides a private sanctuary with custom walk-in closets and a beautifully appointed en-suite bath featuring dual vanities and a walk-in shower. A thoughtfully designed split-bedroom layout ensures privacy and comfort for guests. The home’s outdoor living space captures the essence of florida luxury. The expansive screened lanai presents a stunning setting with a heated pool and spa framed by a picture screen enclosure overlooking sparkling lake views. Designed for memorable gatherings, the outdoor entertaining area also features a built-in grill and chef’s pizza oven, offering the ultimate space for alfresco dining and sunset evenings. Additional features include hurricane impact windows and a location outside a flood zone, offering both security and peace of mind. Residents of verandah enjoy an extraordinary lifestyle with two championship golf courses designed by jack nicklaus and robert cupp, a riverfront clubhouse, wellness center, tennis, and over nine miles of scenic walking and biking trails along the orange river. Conveniently located near rsw international airport, shopping, dining, and top medical facilities. Call today to schedule your private tour of this exceptional home.

Built in 2021, this bright meadow model home in the verandah already comes with peace of mind offering hurricane windows and doors and is not located in a flood zone, plus the social membership comes with the purchase of this home. This exquisite home boasts an inviting curb appeal starting with the desired extended driveway, an oversized three car garage, lush landscaping with a backyard for your dog(s). Once inside you'll be embraced by the spacious, open airy concept , where the natural light welcomes you and you'll discover why living in florida is all the rave. The heart of this home features a gourmet kitchen, equipped with modern stainless steel appliances, ample counter space, an sizable center island, a custom walk-in pantry with its own counter bar with an added electrical outlet, making this kitchen perfect for culinary enthusiasts and entertaining family and guests. This home offers the florida open concept that flows seamlessly into a spacious family room with tray ceilings, a designated eat in dining room with picturesque windows adjacent to the kitchen plus another flex space that anyone could use as an office, workout room or another guest space, making this living area ideal for family gatherings or cozy dinners with friends. Ready for another entertaining area, open up the pocket sliding doors and you'll expand your overall living space as it will lead you to the oversized outside oasis lanai, where you can relax by the pool or enjoy the 8 person spa. If you love outdoor grilling you'll want to host a bbq party with the newer built in grill and outdoor kitchen, all while enjoying the tranquil views of nature and soaking up the florida sun. When you are ready to call it a night, you'll love the retreat to the luxurious primary suite, featuring a spacious layout, with built in walk-in closets, a spa-like en-suite bathroom complete with dual vanities and a large modern walk in shower. The split bedroom floor plan has two additional bedrooms and a guest bathroom offers ample space for family or friends, ensuring everyone enjoys their own private sanctuary. Verandah is renowned for its two championship golf courses, beautiful landscaping, 9 miles of walking/jogging scenic trails, eight new pickleball courts, clay tennis courts, bocce ball, free kayak rental for the orange river, a community lap pool, massage rooms, fitness center, a dog park, two restaurants, a clubhouse, and recreational facilities. This home is not just a residence; it's a lifestyle, providing the perfect blend of tranquility and community.

Welcome to your dream paradise home, where luxury and practicality come together seamlessly in this exceptional bright meadow floor plan. This stunning saltwater pool & spa home offers sophisticated living, thoughtful upgrades, and serene lakefront views that create your own private sanctuary. From the moment you step onto the charming front porch, the tranquil ambiance and shimmering lake backdrop set the tone for relaxation. Enjoy daily views of local wildlife and breathtaking sunsets right from your backyard. The saltwater pool and spa provide the perfect place to unwind, while the outdoor kitchen is ideal for entertaining family and friends. Designed for both comfort and resilience, this home is equipped with impact windows and doors, installed rebar and concrete in the outer block walls, extra strapping on roof, a 22k generac whole-house generator, luxury lighting and fans, and a beautifully crafted custom laundry room. The three-car garage is a rare bonus, enhanced with epoxy flooring and custom shelving, plus an additional 2 feet of extra depth—perfect for storage or larger vehicles. Additional upgrades include: whole-home water filtration system clean start laundry purification system a/c system with ozone filtration and uv light purification located in verandah, one of the area’s most sought-after gated communities, you’ll enjoy an impressive lineup of amenities: two nicklaus-designed championship golf courses, kayaking, over 9 miles of walking and biking trails, tennis, pickleball, bocce, and a state-of-the-art fitness center. A vibrant social scene coordinated by the community’s event team ensures endless opportunities to connect and enjoy. With verandah shops, dining, and downtown entertainment just moments away, this home offers unmatched luxury, comfort, and convenience.

***** motivated seller****** fully re-modeled home sits on 5 acres of beautiful florida land! Home offers, new impact windows and doors, new kitchen cabinets with amazing quartz countertops, new wood like flooring throughout, metal roof, and so much more. The detached garage gives you plenty of room for toys. The bottom floor could be rented out for addition income, it has its own entrance.

River retreat! Riverfront home on 1/3 acre cul-de-sac lot with 260+ river frontage. Panoramic view of river. Located in serene area of olga on way to labelle. Over-sized lot gives room for pool or additional bedrooms. Totally updated; fresh paint inside and out, 24" x 24" porcelain tile throughout, storm-resistant sliding doors and windows. New ge stainless steel appliances includes double oven, convection oven and air-fryer. New lg washer and dryer in laundry room with laundry tub. Spacious owner's suite with walk-in shower, walk-in closet with built-ins, double vanity. Fenced-in yard great for pets. Whole-house wired generator works with gas or propane. Home elevation highest in neighborhood. No water intrusion from helene or milton!